Social justice work may go by many names: multiculturalism, inclusive excellence, diversity, equality, etc. According to Vernon A. Wall, what you call it doesn’t matter; it’s about your actions. Our discussion on how to engage in difficult dialogues and advocating for others - even if it’s uncomfortable, and the ways that a focus on language can help and hurt social justice efforts. There is also lots of celebrity talk from his leadership with Capital Pride and behind the scenes of the Social Justice Training Institute (SJTI) of which he is a founder and faculty member.